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德國 柏林 Berlin, Germany
你沒叫醒我 You didn't wake me.
你還在睡 You were sleeping.
你是不想和我一起吃早餐 You can't bear to have breakfast with me.
我那有 看 我很辛苦的給你煮了個蛋 I've boiled you an egg. See? I'd hardly have boiled you an egg
我如果不想看到你怎麼會給你煮蛋 茶還是咖啡? if I didn't want to see you. Um, tea or coffee?
有哪個女人和你在一起久到 Does any woman ever stay long enough
知道你腦子裡在想什麼? to find out what the hell goes on in your head?
晚上要幹嘛? What are you doing tonight?
我要去看我女兒 I'm seeing my daughter.
你女兒? 你怎麼沒提過她 Your daughter? You've kept very quiet about her.
有嗎? Have I?
喔 她這一年來都在國外 Well, she's been abroad for a year.
你剛才是要茶嗎? Did you say tea?
我走了 I'm going.
祝你和女兒相處愉快 Have fun with your daughter.
[Door shuts]
[Train approaching]
[Brakes squealing]
[Woman speaks German]
車票 對不起 Tickets, please.
車票 不好意思 Tickets. Excuse me.
車票 Tickets.
麻煩 車票 Tickets, please.
[Panting]
[Gagging]
[Thunder rumbles]
[Vomiting]
Oh!
嘿 嘿 你! Hey. Hey, you!
[Faucet turning on]
你的腳 你的腳 Your feet. Your feet.
[Boy sobbing]
嘿 孩子 Hey, kid.
站起來 Up.
沒事的 It's all right.
那 你住哪？ There. Where do you live?
就在那 我已經沒事了 謝謝你 It's just up here. I'll be fine now. Thank you.
再見 Goodbye.
自己小心 Look after yourself.
我很擔心他 他臉色不太好 I'm worried about him. He looks terrible.
那孩子說他用不著看醫生 The boy's saying he doesn't need a doctor.
他得看 He does.
我不需要醫生 I don't need a doctor.
那好吧 Good, then.
Peter.
沒必要為這吵 We're not going to argue about this.
提醒我 你現在多大了? Remind me. How old are you, now?
Michael 15歲 Michael's 15.
是猩紅熱 It's scarlet fever.
他最少也要在床上幾個月 He'll be in bed for several months, at least.
完全隔離 Complete isolation.
Emily 離遠點 他會傳染 Emily, keep away. He's contagious.
Emily!
你覺得怎麼樣? How are you feeling?
好些了 Better.
有件事想告訴你 I meant to tell you...
...我得病那天 有個女人幫了我 ...the day I got ill, a woman helped me.
她幫了你? She helped you?
是的 她帶我回家 Yes. She brought me home.
你有她的地址嗎? Do you have her address?
[Banging]
[Indistinct chatter]
[Men shouting in German]
[Woman singing in German on record]
Hello?
Yes?
[Music continues]
我帶了花來跟你說謝謝 I brought you these flowers to say thank you.
放到水池那邊 Put them over there in the sink.
我本想早點來的 但我在床上躺了三個月 I would have come earlier, I've been in bed three months.
你好些了嗎? You are better now?
是的 謝謝你 Yes. Thank you.
你一直身體不好? Have you always been weak?
哦 不 我以前從沒生過病 Oh, no. I've never been sick before.
太無聊了 什麼也不能做 It's incredibly boring. There's nothing to do.
我連書都懶得讀 I couldn't even be bothered to read.
那麼 再次謝謝你 Well, thank you again.
等等 Wait.
我和你一起走 我要去上班 I'll walk with you. I have to go to work.
我換件衣服 你在走廊等著 Wait in the hall while I change.
[Coin clatters on floor]
[Men chattering outside]
[Women chattering]
[Woman shouts in German]
[Man grunts]
[Michael gasps]
[Footsteps approaching]
樓下還有兩個桶 There are two more buckets downstairs.
你可以把它們裝滿提上來 You can fill them and bring them up.
[Michael coughing]
[Laughs]
[Woman laughing]
你看起來很好笑 你自己看看 孩子 You look ridiculous. Look at you, kid.
[Laughs]
你不能這個樣子回家 You can't go home like that.
把衣服脫了 我給你放水洗澡 Take off your clothes. I'll run you a bath.
[Water running]
你總是穿著褲子洗澡嗎? Do you always take a bath in your trousers?
[Clears throat]
放心 我不會偷看的 It's all right. I won't look.
我給你拿條毛巾 I'll get you a towel.
[Moans]
你回來找我就是因為這個吧 So that's why you came back.
你好美 You're so beautiful.
你在說什麼啊? What are you talking about?
看著我,孩子 Look at me, kid.
Mm! Mm!
慢點 Slowly.
慢點... Slowly...
噓 Shh.
[Silverware clattering]
[Blows, slurps]
[Clock ticking]
[Panting, moaning]
[Moaning]
[Panting]
你讓你母親擔心 You've inconvenienced your mother.
還要說幾次? 我已經道過歉了 How many more times? I've said I'm sorry.
你嚇到她了 You scared her.
我迷路了 就這樣 I got lost, that's all.
所以我才回來晚了 能再給我來點嗎? That's why I was late. Can I have some more?
誰會在自己的家鄉迷路? How can anyone get lost in their own hometown?
我本想去城堡那邊 結果走到了田野裡 I meant to head for the castle, I ended up at the field.
方向完全相反 Opposite directions.
不關你的事 None of your business.
他說謊 He's lying.
他沒說謊 He's not lying.
Michael從不撒謊 Michael never lies.
我已經決定明天返校了 I've decided I want to go back to school tomorrow.
醫生說你還要休息三周 The doctor says you need three weeks.
我已經決定了 Well, I'm going.
Peter?
[Sighs]
[Children shouting]
Hey!
Ooh!
[Grunts]
像這樣? Like this?
沒錯 That's right.
[Moans]
不 別這麼快 No, not so fast.
Ah!
沒事 It's all right.
再一次 Do it again.
Mm...
Oh!
你叫什麼名字? What's your name?
什麼? What?
你的名字 Your name.
你幹嘛問這個? Why do you want to know?
我已經來這兒三次了 I've been here three times.
我想知道你叫什麼 有什麼不對? I want to know your name. What's wrong with that?
沒有 孩子 Nothing, kid.
沒什麼不對 There's nothing wrong with that.
我叫漢娜 It's Hanna.
你一臉懷疑的表情 You look so suspicious.
你叫什麼 孩子? What's yours, kid?
Michael.
Michael. Hmm.
那麼我和Michael在一起 So I'm with a Michael.
漢娜 Hanna.
西方文學的核心在於保密的觀念 The notion of secrecy is central to Western literature.
可以說人物性格整個建立在... You may say the whole idea of character...
人們之間未能公開的... is defined by people
某些信息之上 holding specific information,
其原因可能是多樣的 which, for various reasons,
有時卑劣 有時高尚 sometimes perverse, sometimes noble,
以致人們決心守口如瓶 they are determined not to disclose.
[Laughs]
你都沒告訴過我你唸什麼的 You never tell me what you've been studying.
唸? Studying?
在學校裡 At school.
你們學語言嗎? Do you learn languages?
嗯 Yes.
哪些語言? What languages?
拉丁語 Latin.
說點拉丁語 Say something in Latin.
[Laughing]
[Speaking Latin]
這是賀拉斯寫的(拉丁詩人之一) It's Horace.
很美 It's wonderful.
想聽希臘語嗎? Do you want some Greek?
[Reading in Greek]
真美 It's beautiful.
你怎麼聽出來的? How can you tell?
你聽不懂意思 怎麼知道好聽? How do you know, when you've no idea what it means?
你用德語學些什麼? What are you studying in German?
我在學一個劇本 I'm studying a play.
是一個叫戈特霍爾德·埃夫萊姆·萊辛的作家寫的 你聽說過他嗎?(德國啟蒙運動時期代表人之一) By a writer called Gotthold Ephraim Lessing. You heard of him?
這個劇本叫"愛米麗雅·迦洛蒂"借你看(萊辛代表作) The play's called Emilia Galotti. You can read it.
還是聽你念吧 I'd rather listen to you.
好吧 All right.
「第一幕,第一場 "Act One. Scene One.
場景:王子的其中一個房間 The setting: One of the prince's chambers.
王子...」 The Prince..."
我念得不好 I'm not very good.
繼續啊 Go on.
「牢騷 淨是些牢騷 "Complaints, nothing but complaints.
看在上帝份上 除了工作就什麼也不剩嗎? For goodness sake, is there anything left but work?
別人竟然還嫉妒我們」 Just imagine that people actually envy us."
你很拿手 不是嗎? You're good at it, aren't you?
拿手什麼? Good at what?
朗讀 Reading.
笑什麼? What's funny?
我以為我做什麼都不行 I didn't think I was good at anything.
[Boys shouting]
[Whistling, clapping]
Whoo!
[Bell clangs]
[Footsteps approaching]
你在幹什麼? 這是什麼意思? What are you doing? What is this?
為什麼你裝作不認識我? Why did you behave as if you didn't know me?
是你裝不認識我吧! 明明看到我在第一節車廂裡 You didn't want to know me! You could see I was in the first carriage!
為什麼你坐在第二節裡? So why did you sit in the second?
你以為我想幹嘛? What did you think I was doing?
你以為我幹嘛去了? Why did you think I was there?
我怎麼知道? How should I know?
我工作很累了 想洗個澡 Now, I've been working. I need a bath.
而且不想被人打擾 And I'd like to be by myself.
能請你離開嗎? Would you please leave?!
我... 我不想讓你不開心 I... I didn't mean to upset you.
讓我不開心你還不夠格 You don't have the power to upset me.
你對我還沒重要到那個程度 You don't matter enough to upset me.
[Gas heater turns on, water runs]
[Sniffling]
我不知道該說什麼 I don't know what to say.
我以前從沒和女人交往過 I've never been with a woman before.
我們在一起四週了 We've been together four weeks,
沒有你我已經活不下去了 and I can't live without you.
我不能沒有你 I can't.
光想就要了我的命 Even the thought of it kills me.
我坐在第二節車廂裡 因為我想你可能會吻我 I sat in the second carriage because I thought you might kiss me.
孩子 你以為我們能在電車裡做愛? Kid, you thought we could make love in a tram?
你說的是真的嗎? Is it true what you said?
我對你不重要? That I don't matter to you?
你原諒我嗎? Do you forgive me?
你愛我嗎? Do you love me?
你有書嗎? Do you have a book?
嗯 我有 Yes, I have.
今天早上我帶了一本 I took one with me this morning.
是什麼書? What is it?
荷馬寫的《奧德賽》 The Odyssey, by Homer.
我的家庭作業 It's my homework.
我們把順序改一下吧 We're changing the order we do things.
先唸給我聽 孩子 然後我們做愛 Read to me first, kid. Then we make love.
《奧德賽》 荷馬著 The Odyssey, by Homer.
什麼是奧德賽? What's an odyssey?
一個旅程 他踏上了一次旅程 A journey. He sets out on a journey.
不錯 Good.
「告訴我,繆斯 那位聰穎敏睿的凡人的經歷... "Sing to me of the man, Muse The man of twists and turns
在攻破神聖的(雙城)特洛伊城堡後... Driven time and again off course Once he had plundered
浪跡四方」 The hallowed heights of Troy"
過來 Come here.
「他把她的手放在自己唇上 "He pressed her hand to his lips.
她死了 She was dead.
任何人都已無力回天」 Past all help, or need of it."
[Sobbing]
[Panting]
「我摸索著往裡走到了一小塊開闊地段 "I poked into the place a ways, encountered a little open patch
才一間臥室那麼大,四周滿是青籐 as big as a bedroom, all hung around with vines,
有一個人正在那裡睡著了 and found a man lying there asleep.
然後 是jings 正是我那老吉姆啊! And, by jings, it was my old Jim.
『你上岸的時候 我原想能趕上你 "When you landed, I reckoned I could catch up with you
正想朝你大喊 這時我看到了那座大屋子 on the land without having to shout at you. But when I see that house,
我便放慢了』 I begin to go slow."
「當他進入時 查太萊夫人感覺到 "Lady Chatterley felt his naked flesh against her
他赤裸的皮肉緊貼著她 as he came into her.
他在她裡面靜止了一會...」 For a moment, he was still inside her..."
這真噁心 This is disgusting.
你這本書那來的? Where did you get this?
我從同學那借的 I borrowed it from someone at school.
Oh...
你應該覺得羞恥 You should be ashamed.
繼續 Go on.
[Blows raspberry]
『雷鳴般的颱風裡那成千上萬 藍色泡狀的臭貝殼啊! "Billions of bilious blue blistering barnacles in a thundering typhoon!
這是水!』 『那你以為是什麼?』 It is water!" "But what on earth did you expect it to be?"
威士忌 Whiskey.
威士忌 看在雷鳴的份上 威士忌! "Whiskey, by thunder, whiskey!"
『威士忌? 船長 您該不會是認真的吧』 "Whiskey? Come now, captain, you can't be serious."
今天就到這兒吧 孩子 That's enough for today, kid.
我在想 你能請個假嗎? I was wondering, do you think you could get some time off?
我們可以去玩 Maybe we could go on a trip.
去那? What sort of trip?
騎單車度假 A cycling holiday.
就兩天 Just two days.
我這有本旅行指南 連路線我都盤算好了 I've got a guide book. I've worked out the route.
看 你覺得怎麼樣? Look. What do you think?
你很喜歡計劃 對不對? I think you like planning, don't you?
[Sighing]
「我不畏懼 "I'm not frightened.
我無所畏懼 I'm not frightened of anything.
受傷越深,我的愛也越熾熱 The more I suffer, the more I love.
危險只會增添這份愛 Danger will only increase my love.
這讓它更清晰 更豐富 It will sharpen it. It will give it spice.
我會是你唯一的天使 I'll be the only angel you need.
你生命的結局會比開端更加美麗 You will leave life even more beautiful than you entered it.
連對你敞開懷抱的天堂也會說 Heaven will take you back and look at you and say,
『只有一樣東西 能讓一個靈魂如此完整 那就是愛情』 "Only one thing can make a soul complete, and that thing is love."
[Laughing]
Hello.
[Boys laughing]
Excuse me.
Hello.
你想吃點什麼? Do you know what you'd like?
Um...
你要點什麼? What are you having?
你來點 我要和你一樣的 You order. I'll have what you have.
OK.
Um...
請來兩份法蘭克福香腸 兩個土豆沙拉 還有兩杯啤酒 Two frankfurters, two potato salads and two beers, please.
[Boys laughing]
[Sighs]
Thank you.
希望你母親吃得開心 I hope your mother was happy.
謝謝 Thank you.
她非常喜歡這裡的飯菜 She enjoyed her meal very much.
走吧 Come on.
[Laughing, shouting]
這裡 我給你看看我們的目的地 Here, let me show you where we're going.
不用了 孩子 It's OK, kid.
我不想知道 I don't want to know.
[Choir singing]
[Choir continues singing]
[Choir stops singing]
你在幹嘛? What are you doing?
我在寫一首詩 關於你 I'm writing a poem. About you.
我能聽聽嗎? Can I hear it?
還沒好 It's not ready.
以後我會念給你聽的 I'll read it to you one day.
[Bicycle bells ringing]
[Choral music plays in car]
[Music continues]
[Shuts off music]
早安 Hendrick Morning, Hendrick.
早 伯格先生 Good morning, Mr. Berg.
您是在306號法庭 You're in court 306.
謝謝你 Thank you.
你還好吧 Michael? You all right, Michael?
我很好 I'm fine.
快點 你知道她的個性 Hurry. You know what she's like.
待會見! See you later!
祝好運 Good luck.
請起立 Please stand.
請坐 Please sit down.
辯方 請陳詞 The defendant, please.
[Indistinct chatter]
[Whistling]
她們來了 They're coming.
Hello.
她說什麼? What did she say?
早安 女士們 Good morning, ladies.
歡迎你們的新同學 對她們好一點 Welcome your new fellow-students. Treat them with courtesy.
請坐 Sit down.
Hello.
我叫蘇菲 My name's Sophie.
我是麥克 I'm Michael.
《奧德賽》 The Odyssey.
把書拿出來 Take our your books.
每個人都認為荷馬的主題是回家 Everyone believes Homer's subject is homecoming.
實際上 《奧德賽》是一本關於旅程的書 In fact, The Odyssey is a book about a journey.
家只是你的夢中之地 Home is a place you dream of.
伯格 我不想打斷你 但我們唸的是荷馬 不是蘇菲 Berg, I don't mean to distract you, but we're meant to study Homer, not Sophie.
[Laughter]
[Shouting]
這太棒了 不是嗎? It's wonderful, isn't it?
完美... Wonderful...
這一定會是個美好的夏天 It's gonna be a great summer.
你幹嘛這麼早走? Why do you leave early?
他總是這麼早走 He always leaves early.
你是不是要去什麼地方? Do you have somewhere to go?
明天見 See you tomorrow.
對不起 我晚了 Sorry I'm late.
學校有點事 I got held up at school.
我帶了本新書 I have a new book.
《帶小狗的女人》 The Lady with a Little Dog.
作者 安東·契柯夫 By Anton Chekhov.
「據說在堤岸上出現了一個新面孔 "The talk was that a new face had appeared on the promenade,
一個帶小狗的女人」 a lady with a little dog."
Schmitz 請等一下 Schmitz, one moment, please.
我讀了關於你的每一份報告 你的工作無可挑剔 I read the reports on you. Every single one. Excellent work.
你以後會在辦公室工作 You'll be working in the office.
你升職了 恭喜 You got promoted. Congratulations.
Yee-haw!
Ah! [laughs]
我們走吧! Let's get out of here!
來吧! 麥克 我們要走了 一起吧! Come on! Michael, we're leaving. Let's go!
來啊 麥克! Come on, Michael!
他們打算給你個生日驚喜 It's meant to be a surprise for your birthday.
來啊! Come on!
怎麼了? What's the matter?
我很抱歉 真的 I'm sorry. Really.
我們以為你會喜歡的 We thought you'd like it.
我們有啤酒! 還要跳舞! We've got beer! We're gonna dance!
我答應了別人 I promised someone.
麥克 拜託! Michael, please!
「到處是星星和燈火的反光 "Here and there the reflection of the stars and the lights,
在岸邊閃爍著,顫動著」 on the bank quivered and trembled."
哦 孩子 孩子 Oh, kid, kid.
怎? What?
停了 Stop.
現在是怎樣? What's wrong now?
沒怎麼 Nothing's wrong.
沒事 It's nothing.
你知道嗎 你從來都不問 You know, you never ask.
你從來不問我怎麼了! You never bother to ask how I am!
你從沒說 You never say.
今天剛好是我的生日 It just happens to be my birthday.
是我生日 就這樣! It's my birthday, that's all!
你甚至沒問過我生日什麼時候 You've never even asked when it is.
你是想吵架嗎 孩子... If you want a fight, kid...
我不想吵架! I don't want a fight!
你怎麼了?! What's wrong with you?!
關你什麼事?! What business is it of yours?!
每次都依你 每一件事 It's always on your terms. Everything.
我們都是做你想做的事 全照你的意思 We do what you want. It's always what you want.
我朋友要給我開一個趴 My friends were giving me a party.
那你在這幹嘛? Why are you here?
去開你的趴啊 你不就想這樣嗎? Go back to your party. Is that what you want?
Mm! Mm!
道歉的人總是我 It's always me that has to apologize.
你不需要道歉 沒人需要道歉 You don't have to apologize. No one has to apologize.
《戰爭與和平》 孩子 War and Peace, kid.
[Panting]
現在 回你的朋友們那兒去 Now, you must go back to your friends.
[Chanting]
你還好吧? Are you all right?
[Indistinct chatter]
是他 It's him.
很好 Good.
給這小子拿點吃的 Get the boy something to eat.
我們都知道你總有一天會回來的 I think we all knew you'd come back to us eventually.
伯格先生? 八點了 Mr. Berg? It is 8:00.
你女兒 Your daughter.
謝謝你 Thank you.
[Indistinct chatter]
Julia.
[Laughing]
我有讓你等很久吧? I've not kept you waiting?
是我早到了 I was early.
歡迎回來 Welcome back. [laughs]
那麼你決定怎樣? So how will you decide?
我不知道 I don't know.
我覺得在柏林的時候很快樂 I'm happy back in Berlin, I suppose.
你看到你媽媽了? You've seen your mother?
Mm-hmm.
我只是想一個人呆一陣 I wanted to get away. That's all.
我去了巴黎 但去哪都一樣 It was Paris, but it could have been anywhere.
就是不想和父母在一起? Away from your parents?
我知道自己很難相處 I'm aware I was difficult.
我很多時候對你不夠坦率 I wasn't always open with you.
我對任何人都不坦率 I'm not open with anyone.
我總覺得你很遙遠 I knew you were distant.
你知道嗎... 我一直以為是我的錯 You know... I always assumed it was my fault.
Julia.
你能錯到哪去? How wrong can you be?
[Sobbing]
再見 I'll see you very soon.
再見 See you soon.
晚安 爸爸 Good night, Dad.
晚安 Good night.
參加特別研討班的同學們 Those of you for the special seminar group,
請留在這間教室 please stay on in this room.
請留在這間教室 Please stay on in this room.
羅爾教授馬上就來 Professor Rohl will be here in a moment.
好吧 看樣子我們這個班很小 Well, we seem to be quite a small group.
雖然小 也是精挑細選的 A small group and a select one.
顯然 這是個獨特的研討班 Clearly, this is going to be a unique seminar.
我們先從閱讀書目開始 先生們 We are going to start with a reading list, gentlemen.
卡爾·雅斯貝爾斯... Karl Jaspers...
還有女士們 And ladies.
...的《德國罪過問題》 ...The Question of German Guilt.
[# Creation: Making Time]
這就是你住的地方啊 So this is where you are.
對 Yes.
請進 Come in.
你很認真嘛 You take work seriously.
我有嗎 I don't know.
你可真是個認真的男生 You're rather a serious boy.
我從小就這樣 It's how I was brought up.
你呢? 你認真嗎? What about you? Are you serious?
你確定今晚要工作嗎? You're sure you want to work tonight?
嗯 Yeah.
但我並不是每晚都工作 But I won't work every night.
明天見 See you tomorrow.
是的 一點不錯 Yes. Exactly
沒錯 That's right.
要幫忙嗎 You need a hand.
[Crowd shouting]
[Siren wailing]
[Crowd chanting]
為啥這麼多警察? Why all the police?
他們擔心這些示威者 They're worried about demonstrators.
擁護者還是反對者? For or against?
都有 Both.
哇 有好戲看了 Wow. It's a circus.
全體起立 All rise.
所有攝影人員請離開 All photographers are now asked to leave.
本法庭現在開庭 請坐 This court is now in session. Please sit down.
首先我要聽取... First thing I'm going to do is hear motions
每個辨方律師... from each of the defendants' lawyers.
的訴訟請求 在本庭宣判之前... They're arguing that there's no reason to keep the defendants in jail
他們反對將被告收監 until the outcome of the forthcoming trial.
我將一一審理這幾個案件 I'll take these cases one by one.
要筆嗎? Want a pen?
我有筆 I got a pen.
Hanna Schmitz.
你叫Hanna Schmitz是嗎? Your name is Hanna Schmitz?
是 Yes.
能請你大點聲嗎? Can you speak louder please?
我是Hanna Schmitz My name is Hanna Schmitz.
謝謝 Thank you.
你1922年10月21號出生 對嗎? You were born on October 21 st, 1922?
對 Yes.
生於Hermannstadt At Hermannstadt.
你現在43歲? And you're now 43 years old?
是 Yes.
你在1943年時加入了黨衛軍? You joined the SS in 1943?
是 Yes.
你加入的原因是什麼? What was your reason for joining?
你當時在Siemens工廠工作? You were working at the Siemens factory at the time?
是 Yes.
那時你剛被升職 You'd recently been offered a promotion.
為什麼還要加入黨衛軍? Why did you prefer to join the SS?
反對 Objection.
那我換個問法 I'll re-phrase my question.
我只是想確認 I'm trying to ascertain
她加入黨衛軍 if she joined the SS freely, hmm?
是不是出於自願 Of her own free will.
我聽說那兒有工作 I heard there were jobs.
繼續 Go on.
我在Siemens工作時 I was working at Siemens
聽說黨衛軍在招聘 when I heard the SS was recruiting.
你知不知道你要做的是什麼工作? Did you know the kind of work you'd be expected to do?
他們在找看守 They were looking for guards.
我申請了這個職位 I applied for a job.
你最初在Auschwitz工作? You worked first at Auschwitz?
是的 Yes.
直到1944年 Until 1944.
然後你被調到克拉科夫附近一個較小的集中營? Then you were moved to a smaller camp near Krakow?
是 Yes.
你還好嗎? Are you OK?
你幫忙把囚犯移到... You helped move prisoners...
我沒事 I'm fine.
...向西運送囚犯的所謂「死亡之旅」? ...west in the winter of 1944 in the so-called death marches?
那麼,你覺得如何? So, what did you think?
我不知道 I don't know.
和我想像中不太一樣 It wasn't quite what I was expecting.
是嗎?怎麼個不一樣? 你想像中是什麼樣的? Wasn't it? In what way? What were you expecting?
我覺得它很刺激 I thought it was exciting.
刺激? 為什麼? Exciting? Why?
你為什麼認為它激動人心? Why did you think it was exciting?
因為它是正義的 Because it's justice.
[Shouting]
[Glass breaking]
[Inaudible]
社會以為自己是靠道德維繫的 Societies think they operate by something called morality,
其實不對 but they don't.
維繫社會的是法律 They operate by something called law.
僅僅是在Auschwitz工作不會被判有罪 You're not guilty of anything merely by working at Auschwitz.
在Auschwitz工作過的有八千人 Eight thousand people worked at Auschwitz.
其中19個人被判有罪 而謀殺罪名成立的只有六人 Precisely 19 have been convicted, and only six for murder.
為了證實謀殺 必須先確定意圖 To prove murder, you have to prove intent.
這就是法律 That's the law.
問題從來不是對與錯 The question is never was it wrong,
而在於是否合法 but was it legal.
而且所依據的並非我們的法律 And not by our laws, no.
而是事發當時的法律 By the laws at the time.
但這是不是有點... But isn't that...
什麼? What?
...狹窄? ...narrow?
哦 是的 法律就是狹窄的 Oh, yes. The law is narrow.
另一方面來講 On the other hand,
我懷疑那些殺人者 I suspect people who kill other people
自己也清楚這是錯的 tend to be aware that it's wrong.
Schmitz小姐 你熟悉這本書嗎? Miss Schmitz, you're familiar with this book?
是的 Yes.
一部分 Parts of it
已經在法庭上宣讀過了 have already been read out in court.
作者是一位倖存者 It's by a survivor,
一位倖免於難的囚犯 a prisoner who survived.
Ilana Mather.
她小時候在集中營呆過 不是嗎? She was in the camp when she was a child, wasn't she?
和她母親在一起 She was with her mother.
對 Yes.
她在書裡描述了一種挑選過程 In the book, she describes a selection process.
每個月的勞動結束時 六十個犯人被挑選出來 At the end of the month's labour, every month, sixty inmates were selected.
從周邊的小集中營送返Auschwitz satellite camp back to Auschwitz.
這沒錯吧 That's right, isn't it?
對 沒錯 Yes. It's right.
到現在為止 其他幾位被告 And so far, each of your fellow defendants
都否認自己曾參與這一過程 has specifically denied being part of that process.
現在 我要問你 Now I'm going to ask you.
你有沒有參與? Were you part of it?
有 Yes.
所以你是幫忙選人了? So you helped make the selection?
是 Yes.
你承認了? You admit that?
那麼... Then...
告訴我 具體是怎麼挑選的? tell me, how did that selection happen?
當時有六個看守者 There were six guards,
所以我們決定每人挑十個 so we decided we'd choose ten people each.
每個月我們都這麼做 That's how we did it - every month.
我們每人選十個人 We'd all choose 10.
你是說其他被告也參與了挑選? Are you saying your fellow defendants took part in the process?
我們都參與了 We all did.
即使她們全都否認? Even though they've denied it?
說"我們""所有人" Saying "We, we all" is easier
比說"我" "我自己"要容易得多 不是嗎 Schmitz小姐? than saying "I, I alone", isn't it, Ms. Schmitz?
你是否明白... Did you not realise...
你要把這些婦女送向死亡? you were sending these women to their deaths?
是 可是... Yes, but...
有新人來 一直有新的婦女被送來 所以... there were new arrivals, new women were arriving all the time. So...
好的就要空出房間給新來的 the old ones had to make room for the new ones.
我不知你是不是沒搞懂... I'm not sure you understand...
我們不可能全留下 We couldn't keep everyone.
沒有房間 There wasn't room.
不 我是說 No, but what I'm saying
我換個問法吧: 為了騰出地方 let me rephrase: to make room,
你們把婦女們挑選出來 然後說 you were picking women out and saying
你 你和你要被送回去殺掉!? You, you and you have to be sent back to be killed!?
那好 如果是你要怎辦? Well, what would you have done?
我當初就不該進Siemens是嗎? Should I never have signed up at Siemens?
Mather太太 你可以進去了 Ms. Mather, they𠆫e ready for you now.
Go! Go! Go! Go!
麥克呢? Where's Michael?
我不知道 I don't know.
在你的書裡 你描寫了挑選的過程 In your book you describe the process of selection...
是 Yes.
婦女們先是做苦工 然後... You were made to work and then,
當她們不再有價值 when you were no longer any use to them,
她們就被送回Auschwitz殺掉 then they sent you back to Auschwitz to be killed.
今天在場的人中有當時參與挑選的嗎? Are there people here today who made that selection?
有 Yes.
我需要你指認出他們 I need you to identify them
你可以認出是誰嗎? Can you please point them out?
她 Her
和她 And her.
還有她 And her.
她 Her.
和她 And her.
謝謝你! 請繼續 Thank you! Please continue.
每個看守會挑選一定數量的婦女 Each of the guards would choose a certain number of women.
Hanna Schmitz的挑法和別人不同 Hanna Schmitz chose differently.
哪裡不同? In what way differently?
她有自己的喜好 專挑女孩子 大都很年輕 She had favourites. Girls, mostly young.
我們全在私下裡議論 We all remarked on it,
她給她們食物 還安排睡覺的地方 she gave them food and places to sleep.
到了晚上 她把她們叫到身邊 In the evening, she asked them to join her.
我們都以為... We all thought...
你可以想到我們猜的 Well, you can imagine what we thought
然後我們發現... And then we found out...